The Pistole Parabellum—or Parabellum-Pistole (Pistol Parabellum), commonly known as just. Two test.45 Luger pistols, bearing serial numbers 1 and 2 are known to have been used in the. The adoption of the Lange Pistole 08 or LP 08, aka the 'Artillery Luger', was authorized by the Kaiser on the 2nd of July 1913. Description: Erfurt 1913 Luger. All visable numbers match except the wood based magazine. Unfortunately the previous owner stored the luger somewhere that allowed it to pitt/rust on one side (surface) and that is the reason for the low starting bid. I hope the pictures show the overall condition of this luger.
Article created: Thursday, 24 May 2012 Article modified: Saturday, 28 July 2012 The Last Pre-World War I DWM Prototype: The Artillery Luger. Text Resize buttons Mouse over to see right side.
Pictured above is a very rare 1912/1913 pre-production Prototype Artillery Luger, serial number 11. One of approximately 20 Troop Trials Prototype guns used by the German Air Service for tests in 1913 as defined by The gun was subsequently described in text and pictures to world renown collector Dr. Sturgess, who owns serial number 4, pictured and described in Pistole Parabellum, Volume 1, Chapter 17, pages 396, 397 and 409, who immediately recognized it as an original and very rare pre-production Artillery Luger prototype., which was supplied with these guns, first appears in Luger literature in however, apparently, with no knowledge of the connection or association to the pre-production prototype Artillery Luger variation, simply described it as: A very rare and one-of-a-kind accessory, the implication being only one. Gets close to properly identifying the holster stock, picturing an example with the caption, with only the incorrect date of 1914 which should be 1913: The earliest information that can be found on the solid-body holster stock was written by where he states: Datig is describing what is now known as an example of by A.F. Stoeger Pictured is The most interesting Datig comment is found in a footnote (3) of his above general description of the holster-stock, found on page 182 of his 1955 publication where he makes the incredible, unsubstantiated statement: 3. Hollow wooden holster-stocks were available on special order from the DWM factory since 1900.
In his last book written in 1990 by Datig titled: Datig pictures the same, identical Holster-Stock pictured in his 1955 book, except without a Luger inserted on page 61, but with the caption: which in actuality has been subsequently identified as an unknown variation, somewhat similar to the Mauser C96 Broomhandle pistol holster stock, where the grip handle protrudes through a hole in the bottom of the holster stock, which, in this case is a Luger. Such as imbuing some form of legitimacy to the variation, however, per comments from G. Sturgess: Until it is found to be pictured in some old catalog it has to be relegated to a curiosity. Despite not being identified/pictured in any publication to date. Is identical to the to. The Pistole Parabellum, figure 1345, interestingly, with the author of Pistole Parabellum not acknowledging the book or is contents as accurate.
Nevertheless, since the 1929 Stoeger catalog description, which is, coincidently, in the 1930 Stoeger Catalog 14 and in the 1930 - 1931 winter catalog 15, is a text description only, without any supporting picture, and therefore, there is the possibility that the pictured turn-lever attaching iron Artillery Luger holster stock is not the Stoeger catalog offering and that. Additionally, it is difficult to accept the Pistole Parabellum/Simpson example as being the holster-stock described in the Stoeger catalogs as: A new combination wooden holster and stock combined, purchased through the catalog in the United States when. In summary, Stoeger was offering a new, unmarked product and that the Pistole Parabellum/Simpson example was not the Stoeger described new product and not sold through the catalog. Another explanation is needed for the origins of the Pistole Parabellum/Simpson holster-stock example., with a text caption description claiming it to be “ similar” to the to the Mauser “Broomhandle” stock and that: These type of stocks were listed in the 1929 Stoeger catalog. As stated earlier, an original push-button example has been identified, being one of the three examples is and is considered genuine and of period German manufacture, based on its overall appearance and of two Germany export stamps. With three push-button examples identified vs.
Only one turn-lever example supports the supposition that the sole turn-lever example, until more are identified, is spurious in nature and the that push-button example is a very desirable collectable, as described in the Stoeger catalogs. Describes, quite accurately, the Model 1913 Holster Stock for the LP.08, properly giving photographic credit to prior authors, and the for their pictures of original M1913 holster stocks, however, inadvertently credits the Datig picture as an original M1913 Artillery holster-stock. And that the M1913 holster stock was also available in a different style cover hinge in This. Pictured are several views of an example of the pictured and described circa 1913, compared against an original circa 1913 with the differences highlighted with a circle.
Regarding the external differences in the butt plate contours and finish are with vs. It is unclear why the craftsman that made the aftermarket reproduction pieces, obviously using modern NC programing, did not take the effort to completely replicate the original, with the only possible explanation being that he was only working with pictures and not an original example and even then, inexplicably, got the hinge wrong.
Sturgess there are other aftermarket reproduction Artillery Luger solid-body holster-stocks that come very close to the original vs. The Edward C.
Sayre example described and pictured on page 90 of The LUGER Snail Drum and Other Accessories for the Artillery Model Luger: (The Sayre) examples are different from earlier ones that were touted as fakes some years ago, as they were made from two planks of wood, inlet before gluing together, which made them very easy to spot once you knew this, but they were a closer copy in shape, and the stock lid/butt plate was shaped and chequered like the original as I recall, and the hinge was also the same size as the original. Pictured is a 1914 – 1916 World War 1 post card mailed to a friend in Nurnberg. The card shows six standing German Imperial army soldiers and two seated officers.
Which was meant to be replaced by the new Artillery Luger. Field artillery regiments contained Horse artillery batteries, which explains the spurs on their boots.
Based on the two Pickelhaube helmets pictured, dates the picture to no later than 1916. The six standing soldiers are wearing belt loop, cover flap holsters. The message on the back side is personal and is not related to the photograph. Translated postcard message: Goltz is the seated officer with the X mark. The first thought, based on the cover flap, is that the holsters are for the Artillery Luger, The holster body is indeed for the Reichsrevolver, however, the Reichsrevolver holster cover flap is a different design from the original. The original Reichsrevolver M/79 holster,.ak.a. M/87, coincidently, in addition to housing the M/79 Reichsrevolver, many were also used later for the Artillery Luger, as explained by Sturgess in Pistole Parabellum.
The 1914 – 1915 multiple use of the M/79 Reichsrevolver (M/87) holster for the Artillery Luger is pictured and described in Pistole Parabellum, Copyright © 2010, Volume III, chapter 44, LP.08 holsters, page 1350, figure 1262 titled: The figure 1262 caption, however, poses some vexing questions regarding the subject post card photograph holsters. Sturgess states that the M/87 holster for the M/79 Reichsrevolver, in addition to being used, in its original configuration, for the Artillery Luger, some were also specifically modified to better accommodate the LP.08 by adding a magazine pouch to the holster body spine and changing out the cover flap with one designed to cover the magazine pouch entrance on the right by a bucket style end, and to cover the exposed Artillery Luger grip on the left side by extending the cover flap.
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This leaves the situation of the subject post card holster(s), not being a totally original, unmodified regulation “M/87” holster, due to its replacement, symmetrical full cover flap, yet lacking the added holster body magazine pouch, in other words, another variation. The modification or change-out of the original M/87 cover flap was not needed to holster the Reichsrevolver, as the original regulation version was quite adequate; with the only conclusion remaining is that the “interim” variation modification, albeit these examples without the added holster body magazine pouch was, nevertheless, done to accommodate the Artillery Luger.
An alternate scenario is presented by Sturgess, with comments: However, the unit is a The Bavarians went their own way with uniform accessories like holsters, and had a long tradition of modifying and updating earlier holsters for all units, especially the mounted artillery. This is not a recorded official pattern, but may have been privately procured - Had they been 'officially' converted from RR M 87 holsters to carry lP.08s I am sure the conversion would simply have been to unstitch the flap of the RR holster, and sew a normal P.08 bucket flap in its place. All other personnel carrying revolvers - the attached copy of the ToE from Achim Goertz's book on weapon markings shows this clearly, and this is for the front line service battalion, not the reserve battalion, which will have carried more obsolete armament until well into the war, so I feel pretty certain these holsters carried RR79s, not lP.08s. The date of the photo is most probably before March 1916, when the Bavarian artillery finally adopted the Prussian pattern of artillery Pickelhaube with the cannonball finial in place of the spike, and issue of the lP.08 was barely underway in this period, again indicating RR 79s. Pictured are several views of the subject preproduction prototype 1912/13 Artillery Luger, serial number 11 mated with an aftermarket reproduction Artillery luger solid-body holster stock.
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